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While top representatives from each country...
were convening at the UN to discuss global peace-keeping and security,
despite the lack of any official recognition,
the self-appointed G's from around the world...
are convening for the peace-keeping...
and security of global youths, hence the Non Summit Meeting.
(Episode 140)
We shall begin the session.
I'm the Chairman of Non Summit Meeting, Jun Hyun-moo.
- I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon. - I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We are Junyoosung!
(Welcome representatives.)
It's time for the representatives bring up their issues and have a discussion on it.
It's time to discuss all global issues. Agree or Disagree, What is So Important?
All right. This is the issue brought forth by the US representative, Mark.
At the global film awards ceremony, the "Academy Awards",
the wrong film was announced as the winner of the "Academy Award" for Best Picture.
The mistake was corrected.
But the controversy continued with people questioning whether...
Casey Affleck deserved the Best Actor award.
There were various incidents that occurred during the awards ceremony.
I have brought forth this issue because I would like to hear your opinion on this.
At the 89th "Academy Awards" ceremony,
the wrong envelope was given to the presenter.
- Right. - They had to come out and explain who the real winner was.
("La La Land" had been announced as the winner.)
(However, it was announced that "Moonlight" was the actual winner.)
(The PWC employee gave the presenter...)
(the Best Actress award envelope by mistake.)
They claim it was a simple mistake.
It was a simple mistake.
There were employees who had been given the job of managing the envelopes.
One of the employees was too busy posting on his Twitter account.
He had been distracted because of that.
- They say he had been busy taking photos of Emma Stone. - Right.
- Really? Is that how he gave the wrong envelope? - Right.
Everyone, including the celebrities had this reaction.
They reacted like this. The viewers also had the same reaction.
I also reacted like this when it happened.
(Everyone was shocked.)
People said that this was a Hollywood ending for a Hollywood award show.
It was an ending with a twist.
The post criticism was harsh, right?
Yes. Firstly the employees from the accountancy firm...
are no longer allowed to work on anything that is related to the "Academy Awards".
- I heard that they had been permanently expelled from the ceremony. - Yes.
What we found scarier was that the two employees had to be assigned a bodyguard.
- They were worried for their safety. - Yes.
Everyone is overreacting.
- They did make a mistake, but I think everyone is overreacting. - Right.
- I just smiled and enjoyed it. - Right.
- When we work... - Also, for a long time,
a lot of people had ignored the "Academy Awards". But thanks to this,
- people paid attention. - So, you're saying it was good.
- People paid attention. - France always seems to look at it differently.
- They are objective. - What about Switzerland?
- They are negative. - They find other people's mistakes amusing.
"It's not that bad."
They realized the mistake after it occurred,
so the actors from "La La Land",
were already thanking people for the award.
The third person was in the middle of the speech...
- when... - Look at how happy he is.
He's a demon.
The person who realized the mistake and tried to correct the mistake...
was the film producer of "La La Land", Jordan Horowitz.
Everyone thought that he was trying to pull a prank.
So the film producer kept saying, "This is not a joke, guys. This is not a joke."
He did a really good job.
When you're hosting an award show,
even the smallest mistake can be glaring.
It's because, there are more people than usual who tune in to watch it.
For the people receiving an award, this is an important moment.
So, if you mispronounce a name slightly,
Why are you laughing?
Have you made a mistake before?
(Wincing)
- He's hiding something. - That's not it.
In truth, he received a lot of favorable reviews.
- When I was hosting the "Phantom Singer", - Yes?
- contestant number two was the winner. - Okay?
But I wasn't clear with my pronunciation.
Some people heard what I had said as contestant number one.
There was a lot of controversy about why I had said contestant number one.
Please pay attention to me.
The final winner for "Phantom Singer" is...
contestant number...
one!
(No matter who hears it, everyone would agree that he said number one.)
What I found disappointing was...
for the last two years, the "Academy Awards" ceremony...
had been criticized as an award show made by white people for for white people.
That's why the hashtag, "OscarSoWhite" had appeared.
There had been so many controversies like this.
Finally this year, the film "Moonlight",
which portrayed the contemporary life of African Americans...
had been selected as the winner of the Best Picture.
We should focus on that.
- The focus should have been on that. - It had a lot of significant meaning.
But when people think about this year's "Academy Awards" ceremony,
they'll only remember the mistakes. So, I'm disappointed by that.
Let's hear about other controversial incidents that happened in other awards show.
Back in 2005 at the Golden Melody Awards in Taiwan,
the presenter for an award was a singer from Hong Kong.
In Hong Kong, they speak Cantonese.
So, there are many times when we can't understand each other.
So, when she announced the best male singer award,
she said the surname, "Hwang".
But everyone though she had said, "Wang".
How is the pronunciation different?
Hwang. Wang.
- There is a slight difference. - Yes, there is.
So, Mr. Wang had thought he had won the award.
- He started to hug the person next to him. - Oh, no.
The camera showed both singers standing up after the announcement.
(We can already sense the upcoming embarrassment.)
Mr. Wang went onto the stage to get the award.
He had also received the award,
when the person next to him said,
"You're not the winner. Someone else is the winner."
He had to give back the award.
He came down with an embarrassed look.
(The winner is Wang Lixing.)
(They got up together.)
(Both singers were celebrating.)
(Thank you for your hard work.)
(Wang Lixing hurries up onto the stage.)
(He had already received the award.)
(You're not the winner.)
(He quickly hands the award back.)
(He hurries off the stage very quickly.)
Se-yoon, what would you do in cases like that? You got the award first.
As soon as you receive it, they tell you that you're not the winner.
They tell you Mr. Hwang is the winner.
(His pupils are shaking.)
- I think it'd be fascinating. - "You're not the winner."
"The winner is Mr. Hwang. I'm sorry."
(He's holding the trophy in a pitiful way.)
"Give it here!"
There's no way to make this look good.
Don't they need to give him something?
They would have to give him a souvenir.
They should give him a mug cup.
They should give him a key chain.
Another controversial incident that happened in this year's "Academy Award".
There's a segment that looks at the actors and actresses who passed away that year.
There's a segment dedicated to this.
On that segment,
there was a photo of a person who was still alive.
- She was Australian. - Goodness me.
The person who had passed away was her friend.
They made another mistake.
This wasn't a mistake,
but two years ago, at the "Molière Award" ceremony, the MC,
who was a famous playwright and actor.
He came onto the show naked.
- What? - He was naked.
He came on naked.
Wouldn't people have found it strange as soon as they say down?
(Murmuring)
(Dignified and confident)
(Shocked)
He came out naked.
He looked at our culture minister in the eye and started his speech.
He said that actors and theater staff received unemployment benefits,
and he asked why playwrights didn't received the same consideration.
"Is it because we are ugly?"
"We pay our children's education fees."
- "After we come back from vacation," - They should receive it.
"we have no money. He said it in an amusing way."
He said it in an amusing way.
("We don't want to live our lives day-to-day. We want to live an ordinary life.")
(He receives a round of applause.)
Another controversial issue at the "Academy Awards" was because of Casey Affleck.
The sexual harassment suits from years ago came to light.
There was a lot of debate on whether he deserved to win.
Seven years ago when he was making a movie,
he was sued by a staff member for sexual harassment.
However they settled the law suit.
They settled the law suit without going to court.
They didn't even tell us how much the settlement was.
- Right. - It was a secret.
That's why people...
debated over whether he deserved an award.
Let's talk about other people who caused a controversy...
over whether they deserved an award because of their past deeds.
I'm curious to hear your opinions on this.
Should people who've done something morally wrong be excluded from awards?
Or do you believe that this isn't a problem.
If you think they should be excluded, raise your hand. On 3, 2 and 1.
Press the button.
Three people think they should be excluded.
- Three agree. - Really?
In my personal opinion, especially for the "Academy Awards",
everyone who is invited is a world star, right?
So, they are role models to an enormous number of people.
Especially for children.
So I believe, singing and acting is not just a job.
we need to look at how they act, their relationships and how they treat their staff.
This is all part of their job.
That's why I feel it is a gray area to give people like that an award.
Nik, you have to consider this.
Let's say, they did something bad.
Should they throw away their talents...
and stop working?
- They're not giving up their work. - Hear me out.
The person will be nominated for an award if he continues to work, right?
The reason why I believe that they should be excluded is,
firstly, when you receive a punishment,
from the victim's point of view,
if they see that person receiving an award,
they could feel even more pain because of this.
- Or... - But...
you stated that he should be excluded for the victim's sake, right?
- Right. - Does that mean, this person shouldn't act in any film?
I'm not saying he shouldn't act on films.
- We shouldn't give them an award. - Right.
I think we need to think of this from a different angle.
It's something that happened in the past. They had already settled it.
- Right. - It's finished.
This was an incident from seven years ago.
- If he can't receive... - What about in the case of an ongoing investigation?
- What do you mean? - He had the drive...
and people are suspicious.
- We have to think of those cases individually. - The benefit of the doubt.
- Did you say we have to give him the benefit of the doubt? - Yes.
We have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
We don't know whether that person is a criminal or not.
That should be investigated by the police. We shouldn't be so nosy.
- Don't be nosy. - We shouldn't be nosy.
- Yes. - Lucky, stop being so nosy.
Yes. I'm listening.
(Listening courteously)
in truth, if the courts...
proclaim this person to be a criminal.
Then, I believe it might not be right to give that person an award.
However, in this case, he was only sued,
- and he settled it. Anyone can sue anyone, right? - Yes.
Since we don't know the whole story,
I don't believe that is enough to stop him from getting an award.
He wasn't convicted, rather he was under suspicion.
This matter had already been settled.
(Suspicion versus the matter has been settled)
If this had already been settled,
then I don't this controversy would have come to light.
- No, that's not it. - Casey Affleck is...
You're not awarding that person, but the role he played.
- Right. You're giving an award for his acting. - This is two different things.
- This isn't a moral award. - Okay.
It is an award given to someone for their artistic talents.
I believe the problem with Casey Affleck getting the award stems from...
the fact that since he won the award, we'll only remember that.
We won't remember the immoral actions...
that he had committed.
I believe that is regrettable.
If you think about this historically,
there have been a lot of artists who did not live morally.
- There are so many talented athletes. - Yes, there are.
In Italy, we had Caravaggio,
- Arthur Rimbaud, Charles Baudelaire... - Picasso also cheated on his wife.
If you look at them from a moral perspective, they weren't great.
But we are the ones who can criticize them. He was a great artist,
- but as a person, he wasn't a great human being. - Right.
I have a question.
During the period when Japan was occupying Korea,
there was a Korean artist...
and he cooperated with the Japanese.
- He had some connections with them. - Yes, he was a famous artist.
I think that was a great point...
because a work by a pro-Japanese was incredible. But should we give him an award?
There have been problems like that.
Problems like this in Europe are huge.
- Right. - We had a lot of artists who were part of the fascist faction.
But there works were really incredible.
Back then, if people...
didn't agree with fascism,
- they couldn't work as artists. - Right. They couldn't have worked.
This isn't about whether this was good or bad.
- The question is whether they had betrayed their country. - Right.
- Did they protect or sell out their country. So, it's a different issue. - Yes.
In cases like that, no matter how great the work,
- we can't, as citizen, derive joy from their work. - Right.
It might be hard for us to enjoy the works,
but if you think about the autobiographical book, "Mein Kampf", that Hitler wrote,
because people are curious about the historical aspect...
and we wanted to know more about his thoughts,
it is understandable for people to read it.
I'm sure there has been cases where a star winning a award was controversial, right?
This wasn't controversial in Germany, but it was in Korea.
At the Berlin International Film Festival Awards,
Kim Min-hee...
- won the Silver Bear for Best Actress. - Yes, she did.
In Germany, we don't really care about the personal life of a star.
We only consider their acting when deciding on who to give the award to.
But when I read the articles in Korea,
- I realized that this was controversial. - It was.
In Switzerland, the director, Roman Polanski...
had gone to the Zurich Film Festival to receive a lifetime achievement award.
But in 1977,
due to child sex charges,
he avoided the US paparazzi and fled.
But he was arrested as soon as he landed at Zürich Airport.
Back in 2010, they said that the US did not have enough evidence for an extradition.
So, in the end, he wasn't extradited.
He was released in 2010.
That was a very big controversial issue.
As long as you have money, I think a lot of things are possible in Switzerland.
- I think everyone runs away to Switzerland. - Right.
There was an incident involving Roman Polanski in France as well.
This was recent. He had agreed to come on as a judge...
- for the French "Academy Awards". - He agreed to come on as a judge.
However, a feminist group...
- The opposed this idea? - opposed this idea and protested.
In the end, he had to turn down the offer.
It was because of the incident.
At the "Academy Awards", Mel Gibson,
received a nomination for best director.
This became controversial...
- because he has a lot of history... - Yes, he does.
and controversial issues throughout his life.
He had hit his girlfriend.
He was caught driving under the influence. The police came...
and he suddenly...
said a drunken rant that was anti-Semitic.
It was some very negative comments.
He had a history of having made a lot of controversial statements.
Just having been nominated,
made it seem like Hollywood had forgiven Mel Gibson.
It was very controversial.
Another controversial incident that happened at the "Academy Awards" was...
the wave of criticism towards President Trump.
There were a lot of negative comments.
("The country is divided right now. Thank you President Trump.")
("We are now a global family, we record everything and we will never be divided.")
President Trump stated that the "Academy Awards" focused too much on politics.
He believed that this was a mistake.
All right. At an award show where the whole world is watching,
do you think making influential political statements...
is okay or do you believe that people should refrain from making political comments?
If you think it's okay please raise your hand. In 3, 2 and 1.
Nik thinks people should refrain.
Xinlin also agrees with Nik.
Alberto also thinks people should refrain from this.
I personally think people can make political statements.
However I believe that they should refrain themselves.
- I see. - It doesn't look good.
The question is whether people shouldn't be allowed to.
Everyone has the right to express their feelings. So, they can.
But I believe that it'd be better if they don't talk about politics on that stage.
Isn't that the right of the winner?
You're saying it is there right.
Do you really need to talk about politics at an awards show?
It feels like people do it because they want more attention.
- They're using the platform. - They have no sense.
- Oogi, you believe that this is good? - I think it's better to do it on that stage.
Rather than making political comments all the time,
- as you said, there are more people watching. - Right.
It is more influential and it also sounds more persuasive.
In Japan, no one makes political statements like that.
So, people lose interest in politics.
In cases like that, the public is the one that suffers.
Rather, if they make statement on that stage,
- confidently, - Right.
- If celebrities... - But...
Oogi, the political statements have to suit the stage.
For example, we are the Non Summit representatives.
We are the representatives of our countries.
From the viewers' perspective, what do you think they are interested in?
They'd like to know about an incident that may have happened in our countries.
We don't need to give personal opinions on whether we like kimchi or not.
- I'd like to know. - This is necessary.
- Do you like kimchi? - But...
- No, that's not it. - Let's give another example.
Let's change kimchi for politics.
- I'm curious. - Kimchi.
- Alberto said... - Let's say, they walk onto the stage of an awards ceremony...
and said, "It's a great film. Thank you."
- Why would we watch that? - Hold on.
- The fans... - Right. It'd be boring.
- It'd be boring. - He's saying that it would be boring.
This is my opinion on this. It's a award ceremony for films.
Rather than talk about politics, or the relationships between nation states,
this isn't a real summit meeting, so why would you talk about politics?
(Does a proper place and time for certain comments really exist?)
- Xinlin, our world is not perfect. - Right.
We don't often have the chance to hear the voice of ordinary people.
- But... - Through that person...
we can hear about certain injustices that might be happening.
And through these comments, the world did change.
There's Facebook and Instagram. There's so many platforms to have your voice heard.
- Why do you have to say it at an awards show? - But...
Japan is the complete opposite, the celebrities can't or won't say anything.
Since everyone in the US does it, the significance has dropped.
"Do you really have to talk about here?"
Hollywood is normally...
against the government's side.
So, when people came out making statement opposing President Trump,
no one was shocked.
- It was natural. - Even before the awards show started,
people were curious to know how many critical speeches and statements would be made.
They wanted to know how many negative President Trump statements would be made.
They had expected that.
Rather than on a stage like that,
they could make critical political statements...
but it'd be better if they talked about...
real effective social movements. I think that'd be better.
Didn't Meryl Streep just recently,
give a political speech when she received the award? It was really cool.
(What is Hollywood? It's just a bunch of people from different places.)
(Sarah Jessica Parker was one of 7 or 8 kids from Ohio.)
(Amy Adams was born in Vicenza, Veneto, Italy.)
(Ryan Gosling,)
(like all the nice people is Canadian.)
(Disrespect invites disrespect.)
(Violence incites violence)
(Take your broken heart and make it into art.)
By doing this we can hear about the problems within society.
For me personally, when people talk about social issues on stage,
- I feel like this is a good deed. - It is a good thing.
My viewpoint is slightly different.
You just talked about Meryl Streep.
- She was really inspiring when she said it. - After she said it,
there were a lot of people who praised her.
But those who praised her were the ones who already agreed with her.
- To be honest, - He's right.
she didn't sway or change the hearts of those who disagreed with her.
(She sounds like someone who is stuck in 2014.)
(The election is over.)
(However, this is Hollywood. I think she has fallen into pity.)
It didn't really have any effect.
- Even if there are no effects, you have to keep trying. - You still have to try.
How can you be certain that there was no positive effect?
Even if you don't consider the comments, what's interesting...
is that there were a lot of people wearing blue ribbons...
that symbolized their opposition to President Trump.
There were a lot of people who wore those.
But from around 10 to 15 years ago,
the "Academy Awards" became famous for celebrities wearing ribbons.
In truth, everyone has a ribbon.
- If everyone has a ribbon, how does that hold any meaning. - I see.
Those awards shows, whether it's in the US,
or it is held in Japan, remember people from all around the world will watch it.
We need to think of it as an international event.
So, when the people who win an award make a political statement,
- They have... - It does have a lot of impact.
- Right. - But this is...
(I disagree.)
The speeches aren't that influential.
Aurélien is definitely not influencing the viewers.
- It's the same with whatever Aurélien does. - I mean...
Lucky said before, politics is now international.
Especially in the case of the US,
President Trump passed a new executive order, right?
He restricted certain people. But people in Islamic country who are not informed...
believe that everyone in the US feels the same way as President Trump.
When we watch an award show where speeches make an impact.
When celebrities come out and say it,
people can realize that there are a lot of people who think like us.
- That's true. - Right.
At the recent "Academy Awards",
was there any political comments made by a famous person that made an impact?
There's a very famous US documentary director...
called Michael Moore. - Michael Moore.
His documentaries are political. He had made an anti President Bush documentary.
At the "Academy Awards", Michael Moore won the award for documentary,
and he made a political statement criticizing President Bush. This became famous.
This also became controversial.
He said, "Shame on you. Your era is almost over."
He made statements like that.
His comments actually touched my heart.
Last month, we held our version of the "Academy Awards".
The winner of the documentary category...
said to the President of France, "If you want to find laborers, move your butt."
- "Move your butt"? - He said that?
(President Hollande, you can do it.)
(This is your chance to stop companies who exploit laborers.)
(Stop being incompetent and move your butt.)
(And once again, thank you.)
He used a suggestive expression, but he just wants him to take action, right?
- He wants him to do something. - He has two months left in office.
He hasn't done anything for the last five years.
That's why he asked him to move his butt.
- Did you find it enjoyable? - Yes, I did.
But...
- He made you laugh. - He was very serious when he said this.
In Pakistan, after President Trump passed the travel ban, there was an...
Iranian director who opposed this decision and decided to boycott the ceremony.
His name was Asghar Farhadi. He became a controversial figure.
This person couldn't go to the awards ceremony anyway.
He didn't go and someone accepted the award on his behalf.
He sent a text message.
President Trump's inhumane campaign pledge to in-act the travel ban...
has affected by the Iranians...
and the other six Islamic nation states and because...
I respect the people who have been banned. I will boycott the awards ceremony.
- That was nice. - This became a famous statement.
What if an award winner from our own country...
made a political comment.
- Everyone would be shocked. - Right.
- Everyone would be shocked. - Japan is similar to Korea.
So, our celebrities don't make controversial statements.
- People are paying attention to this. - I'm curious, but do celebrities suffer?
Yes.
- Really? - Yes.
Does the government do something?
- It's not the government, rather it's the people online. - Right.
- Do you remember what we called them? - Yes.
The Japanese netizens attack.
He stated something, but since he was worried that he'd be attacked,
he decided not to say anything.
(I believe that it is the time to decide on the direction of the Abe administration.)
(I believe that the opposing direction is better.)
(Please make your political comments through your work.)
(Hayao Miyazaki's decision to retire has nothing to do with politics.)
After that, actors and comedians stated that they would never comment.
I would like our celebrities to be more active politically.
- You do need people to criticize as well. - Right.
All right. This was the second black person to win the best director award.
Through this, they've gotten rid of the name, "White Oscar".
But because of the mistakes, the "Academy Awards" earned a new name.
We'll look forward to an even wittier "Academy Awards" next year.
- We'll found out "What Is So Important?" next week, too. - Right.
Let's meet the Korean representative.
He has tasted all the flavors from the nation. He's the expert
He chews, bites and tastes the flavors.
He's the flavor columnist, Hwang Kyo-ik.
(The 140th Korean representative, Hwang Kyo-ik)
- Hello. - Hello.
- Welcome. - Welcome.
(Nice to meet you)
We meet again.
- Please take a seat. - Right.
Thank you. Hello.
- Hello. - Hello.
- Could you introduce yourself? - Right.
We have the representatives from all over the globe at the Non Summit Meeting.
These are the people who are the representatives...
They are the representatives of the people.
- Right. - You have a unique way of speaking.
I'm not an ordinary person either.
Most people would just enjoy the food.
But I keep asking myself, "Why did they cook it this way?"
And with those thoughts in my head, I eat.
Okay. You explained this in a very complex way.
He's a flavor columnist.
(I see.)
(He's the number flavor columnist in Korea.)
- Have you ever traveled to other countries for food? - Right.
- I've been to India. - India.
I visited Italy a year ago.
People called Italy, a gastronomy nation.
- I had imagined a country where they had some amazing technique. - Yes.
The food is good because of the ingredients.
We have great ingredients.
If a Korean went there to cook,
I'd say the food would taste even better.
- Right. - He throws a punch.
I think you need to go back there for a longer trip.
Where in Italy did you go?
- I was mostly in Sicily. - Sicily.
The characteristics of Sicilian food is this.
They have a lot of sunlight and it is in the south of Italy, right?
- So, the ingredients are incredibly fresh. - Exactly.
When they cook, they try their best to keep the natural flavors.
That's why they don't add a lot of flavors.
- As you said, they try to keep the natural flavors? - Yes.
They try to keep the original natural flavors.
- Southern style. - If you go to the north, their food is different.
The weather is similar to Korea. There are four seasons.
Their cooking techniques are more sophisticated.
- What he said is true. - Italians aren't good cooks.
I believe that being physically attractive...
- People feel that food made by an attractive person tastes better. - Right.
If the expert says that, I guess it is true.
- You should go outside pay an entrance fee. - Those two together are funny.
What do you think about Japanese food?
- Japan. - Japanese food has a lot of attractive qualities to it.
Korean and Japanese food are very similar.
Most Western people can't tell the difference. We're like sibling culinary cultures.
When I go to Japan and eat the food,
I can see the past and future of Korea's culinary world.
- That's why I find Japanese food to be very interesting. - Thank you.
What about Chinese food?
With Chinese cooking, they just put everything into a wok and cook it.
(They put everything into the wok.)
It's the power of the wok.
- They just need a wok. - Right, normally,
- that's true. - He's scary.
We use the wok to fry the food at home a lot.
- But our cuisine is diverse. - Yes, it is.
It is.
We heard that you had some questions for our representatives today.
When foreigners evaluate Korean food,
they normally just say it tastes good.
But when we go to an ordinary restaurant in Korea,
all the utensils including the bowl and scissors are steel.
They also give you steel tongs to cook with, too.
- like naengmyeon. - When you see this, what is your honest feelings...
- about this? - I like it.
I feel it is very practical. It is very much Korean.
- I always feel that Koreans are very practical. - But...
- I'd like to complain about the stainless bowls. - They also give you scissors.
It's very hot.
- When it arrives... - Yes, it is hot.
I don't believe you can call this practical.
- You have to open it like this. - You can just do this.
When you try and take it from the servers they say, "It's hot."
- Right. - "It's hot."
Even though she is holding it like this.
She holds it like this and tells you not to take it.
- They put the bowls back in the electric rice cooker. - Right.
Japanese people eat in a different way, right/
- Right. I tried to lift it. - You lift the bowl towards you.
- Japanese people eat like that. - It was too hot.
I wasn't shocked by that. I had put the scissor down on the table,
and I was shocked to see tissues on the table.
- I see. You're talking about the toilet paper. - Yes, we look at that...
and think of the bathroom.
The toilet paper...
Even though it is clean, you still have that dirty image in your head.
When you go to a restaurant, they don't have anything to put under the utensils.
- Right. I see. - You could just put a piece of tissue under it.
But when you eat...
- He's become Korean. - When you eat a stew based food,
- the spoon sticks to the tissue. - Right.
- Right. - That is very uncomfortable.
- I don't put it on top of the tissue. - I put it on my bowl.
- Right. - Yes.
My favorite Korean restaurants are the ones where they serve you water when you sit.
- They give you water. - It'd be mortifying if you ordered tap water.
They would think that you don't want to pay for it.
What I really like about Korean restaurants is,
you can just press the button to call the server.
Or shout, "Excuse me!" I think that is very convenient.
In Switzerland, it is very difficult...
- to call a server. - Right.
- Is that so? - They normally wait for you, right?
- Right. - They wait on you.
For me as well, the culinary culture in Korea...
I was really touched by, was the small dining table culture.
It might be because I'm living in a hanok.
I was really charmed by the small meal table for one.
I really started to respect the food as well.
I could also feel the respect that they had put into making the food.
I'd like to know why this culture is disappearing.
- Right. - Yes.
This was a tradition that had been passed down from the Joseon dynasty.
(It's a tradition that dates back to the Joseon Era.)
But when we were under the rule of Japan,
it became harder for the women.
So it changed into a culture where the families gather...
to eat together.
And the Korean War played a major role.
Back then we had no choice but to...
eat on communal lunch trays and so on.
That's why the culture of singular eating vanished.
- But that culture still exists in Japan. - Yes.
When you set it up, it's very pretty, isn't it?
- Yes, especially when you live alone... - Yes.
It seems like we talked a lot about food...
but today's topic is also related to food as well.
Let's see what it is.
For the 140th Non Summit Meeting, Hwang Kyo-ahn...
(Hwang Kyo-ahn)
I'm sorry. Hwang Kyo-ik...
- What... - Why did you do that?
Was that an attempt at political satire?
- No, I... - Hwang Kyo-ik is the acting president...
- He's very far removed from that issue. - The issue...
Can we see you watch, please?
I don't have any.
They use this a lot for political satire.
Anyway, this was Hwang Kyo-ik's issue for the 140th Non Summit Meeting.
In Korea, it has been a long time since the government...
did anything to globalize the Korean food.
But, right now, is the globalization of Korean food...
really something the government should do?
I have my suspicions about the issue.
So, for today's issue,
I'm uncomfortable with forcing the globalization of Korean food.
Am I abnormal?
Is there anything particular that makes you uncomfortable about it?
When I look at all the events coordinated by the government,
it's always a person clad in hanbok who goes out...
to introduce our food to the foreigners as something Korean.
They're practically feeding them the food for free.
Is it good? Is it good?
When something is free, it's only obvious they would say it tastes good.
Are other countries also doing something like this too?
When Japan tried to globalize sushi,
- they have never given out sushi for free. - That's true.
- They've never given out Italian pizza for free either, right? - No.
So why do we work hard to go to foreign countries...
only to beg and plead with people to eat our food for free?
And the food they usually promote aren't really food...
- that a lot Koreans enjoy eating. - They're not.
I also have personal experience with that. I used to live in New York.
In one of the main newspapers, in New York Times,
there was a full page ad describing what bibimbap was.
Like you said, someone wearing hanbok was holding it.
But the food they tend to emphasize while globalizing Korean food...
is always centered around the bibimbap.
There are so many other delicious food but...
I mean I like bibimbap too. But why do they only talk about bibimbap?
Also, when you ride the plane, you always get bibimbap on the menu.
It even has a manual for how to eat it.
If you have to read a manual to learn how to eat it,
it almost feels like it's not meant for foreigners to eat it.
We also have the same problem.
We also have something called "Cool Japan". The government...
promotes things like food, culture, and contents.
The government pushes these things on foreigners.
In 2010, they invested close to 200 million dollars...
to make an institution.
But compared to how much they invested it in, it was highly ineffective.
And the thing that was criticized the most was the name.
"Cool Japan" is so...
It's not very cool.
- When you say you're cool, you're not really cool. - No, you're not.
Why would they name it that?
So basically, having the government control something like this...
is preventing a more natural globalization. There has been many opinions like that.
As a singer, there's this one thing the government does...
When you see videos promoting our country, you see "Our pride, Hallyu."
- But this was just something that automatically happened on its own. - Yes.
But when they advertise it as something the government did,
it makes me feel uncomfortable.
Culture is something that's above the government.
Culture is something that should be let to flow its course naturally.
The only thing the government should do it give it some support.
But, especially when it comes to food culture,
I'm not so sure the government should be regulating something like that.
Our problem is completely the opposite.
The government should promote and support culture, but ours don't do anything.
It's because the food is super famous and there are already a lot of tourists there.
- But I personally think they should be more active in promoting it. - I see.
Italian cuisine is very famous among foreigners,
but they don't know a lot about it. All they know is pasta and pizza.
It's basically like bibimbap and bulgogi.
- It's not something we eat everyday. - I see.
It's only one out of many.
If the government would be more active in promoting...
and teaching people, I think it'll be better.
I actually have a question.
Do you think globalization of Korean food is easy?
In my opinion, unlike Italian food, Japanese food,
or French food, the taste of Korean food is very unusual.
I personally like it but...
You're wondering if it's a taste...
that a lot of people will like, right?
- Yes. - For a region's cuisine to become globalized,
the notion that it has to fit everyone's taste...
has absolutely nothing to do with the act of globalization.
For a type of cuisine to spread all over the world,
it has a lot more to do with that country's...
cultural status more than anything else.
If you want to globalize Korean food, it's very easy.
All you need to do is optimize the country's image.
If a country is more developed and more...
- better... - Then...
- The country has to look appetizing. - Yes.
Not only our country, but the other countries are also...
trying to globalize their food using various different methods.
Let's take a vote on what you think.
If the food of my country is taken out of my country,
do you want it to be globalized? Or do you not want it to be globalized?
If you want it to be globalized, please press the button. In 1, 2, 3.
There are more people who want it to be globalized.
- I always prefer the original. - I see.
If you try to match it to the acquired taste of other countries,
it loses its originality and becomes that country's food instead.
No, it revives the meaning of originality.
- Have you tried out a lot of Indian curry restaurants in Korea, right? - Yes.
- Is it very different? - It's completely different.
Because it's more sweet than spicy,
when people ask me which Indian restaurant is good,
I don't know what to tell them. None of them satisfied me so far.
- It's been globalized. - But that's because an Indian person ate it.
But if a Korean ate it, they think it's tasty.
It's the same thing with ramen. In Japan, it's very salty.
But in Korea, because they can't eat very salty food,
they made it a little more blander. That way,
more people can eat the food.
And in that way, the popularity of ramen goes up...
and when they go to Japan, they can realize that this is the taste of the original.
It increased the value of the food. But, if it tastes exactly the same,
- there's no reason for you to go all the way to Japan to eat ramen. - But...
- It raises the value of the original. - But...
Because you can only eat the original in that country,
that's why you have to try harder to tell the foreigners about it.
They have to promote it.
- So I think a little globalization isn't bad. - A little? Is 10 percent okay?
Yes, sure.
- Just a little... - But isn't it better to make the original?
Because,
when people go to a restaurant without knowing anything...
Let's say they go into a Mexican restaurant.
But that restaurant isn't an original Mexican restaurant.
They'll eat the food there and think that's what Mexican food is like...
because they don't know.
That's why I'm against it. Their perception of what it's supposed to be like...
will be wrong.
But if someone goes all the way to Mexico...
to eat authentic Mexican food,
there's a chance that they'll be disappointed.
Restaurants are businesses.
And what's the important thing to businesses?
Making a profit.
- That's why... - To succeed,
they'll need to cater to the people's taste in order to succeed.
When you go to a foreign restaurant, you don't just go there because you're hungry.
You go there to learn more about their culture...
and go there to see what they eat in that country.
But restaurants aren't made for the purpose of promoting the country's tradition.
The most important thing for them is to make money.
The second most important thing is taste.
If it tastes good, people will get interested in the country.
And people will look it up and find out more about the original.
- But there can be wrong information... - But...
- But accessibility should be easy. - Yes.
- So they can take their first step... - It's the same.
If a Mexican business wants to work abroad,
they will feed them the globalized food before the original.
But if they changed it to fit the taste of that country,
- they should write on their signs that it's fusion. - I agree.
They should write Mexican fusion?
- Yes. - Yes.
- They should write it out. - Yes.
- Is that something to brag about? - Yes.
But I think you should throw away that pride.
Because in America, when McDonalds globalized their franchise,
- they made something like bulgogi burger in Korea. - Yes.
They should make slight changes according to each region. It's a business.
Americans don't really go to McDonalds or Burger King a lot.
We do.
- But... - We go a lot.
So he says...
What Tristan said about...
if it's Mexican restaurant, they shouldn't do fusion,
I tend to think differently.
There are so many restaurants saying they're Italian in Korea.
But most of them don't have the original taste.
But I don't criticize that. Rather, I'm very thankful.
It's just amazing how Koreans learned how to make these food...
Even if they changed it a little, the fact that they know about it...
It's almost like Italians learning how to cook kimchi jjigae...
and opening up restaurants in Italy.
- You're right. - But while there are people who'd like that,
there are also people who go to the restaurant who realize it's not their food.
Once, I went to the Jjajangmyeon Museum in Incheon.
- It was... - Chinatown?
Yes, I went to the one in Chinatown. When I saw it, it touched me.
Because it showed how they brought it over...
and how it gradually became what it is now.
I think that itself is a very beautiful thing.
He's right. Fusion isn't a bad thing.
While fusion isn't bad,
when people chose restaurants,
when they see fusion, the value goes down.
- For example, Italian cuisine... - It looks cheaper?
What would you choose? An Italian restaurant and an Italian fusion restaurant?
- You'll choose Italian restaurant. - You're right.
- I can see that. - If I made a German restaurant here,
I would change it to fit the Korean taste, say it's German cuisine,
sell it for an expensive price, and make it so that Koreans like it.
It'll be a huge success.
- But Koreans... - Huge success?
Did you just say that?
I almost doubted my hearing. A German using that term...
Is that a German word?
("Huge success" seems like a German word, Geyduk.)
What do you think, Kyo-ik?
When foods cross the borders, it's not mine anymore.
It's the consumer's.
Culture is something that's chosen by the consumers.
The suppliers don't have a say in what they do with it.
So, whether it changes...
or stays as an original...
is up to the people who eat the food.
But the representatives...
- have been... - They've been fighting so fiercely.
They've been arguing...
This is really an abnormal Non Summit Meeting.
- Even though you had such a clear cut answer, you let them fight? - It's fun.
Yes, it's fun. Let's try something more fun.
This is my country's food. But to see them eaten in a certain way...
upsets me.
I have something to say about your country's food.
This was a big issue in Italy recently.
In a French TV program about daily life,
they taught people how to make carbonara.
They said you put in some cream and egg and so on.
- But originally, there is no cream in carbonara. - Only egg?
I understand we can't do anything about them putting cream in their food...
but the issue lies in how they put in boiled bacon.
Normally, when we make carbonara,
you have to fry like pork belly.
You have to fry it in a pan.
- But in that French program, they told you to use boiled bacon. - They did?
Everyone went crazy. Wasn't it enough that they took the Mona Lisa?
Why do they want to take carbonara too?
- Leave the carbonara alone! - We have a lot of complaints toward France.
They take Italian food,
add in a little sauce, and call that French cuisine.
- So... - They look really similar.
- If you go to India and order curry rice, there's no such thing. - Curry rice?
I don't know why Japan made something like that.
- It's been globalized. - The thing is curry is...
just a form of sauce with spices.
If you put in potatoes, it becomes potato curry.
- But in Japan, curry is made as one type of food. - Yes.
You don't think Japanese curry is good?
They can be tasty but...
they're slightly lacking compared to Indian curry.
In America, out of all the candies I used to like,
there was candy called Kitkat.
That was originally Switzerland's.
Nestle is a Swiss company.
- It's not even America's. - It's not even Japan's.
- It's not even Japan's. - Never mind.
- Kitkat... - It's Swiss candy.
- But they eat it a lot in America. - That's true.
Didn't you hear what he said? It belongs to the people who eat it.
- It's not Switzerland's. - Kitkat is...
If Mark eats it, it's Mark's.
- It belongs to the consumer. - Anyway, in America, a lot of people eat Kitkat.
The original is pretty tasty.
But in Japan, they keep changing the flavor.
- You can't find those flavors in America. - But they're so good.
- The green tea flavor. - Green tea...
They have green tea flavor, strawberry flavor, potato flavor, cheese flavor...
- They have close to 80 different flavors. - That's a lot.
- Have you tried them? - Yes, I did.
Are they good or not good?
They don't taste bad...
- That means it's good. - It's good?
I just thought chocolate should taste like chocolate.
If it becomes strawberry chocolate,
I don't know whether it's strawberry or chocolate anymore. It's just not chocolate.
Japan is really good at changing things creatively.
Taking original things and changing them around...
We're very good at that.
When I came to Korea,
I went into a Paris Baguette. I saw the sausage bread...
and went, "How is this Paris baguette?"
In France, there's no baguette like that.
We don't eat it. We don't sell it.
They sell sandwiches and panini but...
- sausage bread? - That's ours.
- It's Korean food. - It surprised me.
Have you tried it?
I haven't tried the sausage bread. It scares me.
It scares you?
- We eat fondue back in Switzerland. - Fondue.
There's only one way to eat fondue back in Switzerland.
All you do is dip the bread into the cheese.
But when I came to Korea, I saw octopus fondue.
It's really tasty.
He says it's really tasty.
It's fusion.
Meat and cheese taste good too.
They dip the octopus in the cheese and wrap it in lettuce.
But when Swiss people see that, they'll probably faint.
It's not only the octopus fondue.
I never realized there were so many ways to eat cheese until I came here.
For example, putting cheese in your ramen...
I thought it was so strange when I first saw that.
But when I ate it, it was really good.
- Cheese rabokki. - Yes, so I...
- So I tried putting in Swiss cheese into the ramen. - How was it?
- It was the best. - Really?
- Wow. - I'm sure it'll be tastier.
In Pakistan, we have the naan.
Originally, it's basically nothing but kneaded dough.
But in Korea, it surprised me...
when I saw garlic naan.
But more than that, honey naan.
- Honey naan? - I was really surprised by honey naan.
- You don't have that in Pakistan? - They have that in India, though.
I had some of it there.
I ate garlic naan and butter naan...
- I think only Pakistan doesn't have that. - I guess so.
Wait, that's not...
We don't have it. We're a little different from India.
- If you go to India, you'll be surprised. - Yes.
Garlic naan?
- This isn't right. - But if you put on garlic, it becomes garlic naan, doesn't it?
- Yes. - What I'm saying is how can you eat...
honey naan when the food is salty and spicy?
- Sweet and salty. - Yes, sweet and salty.
- No... - The truth of humanity lies in the sweet and salty taste.
What about Japan?
As someone from Nagasaki,
I just can't acknowledge the Nagasaki jjamppong in Korea.
- We even have a brand for that food. - Nagasaki...
- We have someone from that region. - Oh no.
- I... - What's so different?
First of all, I don't understand why it's so spicy.
- Nagasaki jjamppong. - It's because we like spicy food.
Yes, I know. But for them to call that Nagasaki jjamppong...
- The ingredients are also slightly different. - Yes.
The seafood is different.
But it's Nagasaki jjamppong.
- Maybe it's the peppers... - Only the color is the same.
- When I ate it, the taste is... - That's globalization.
- That's globalization. - But...
There's a very famous restaurant in Nagasaki. They've been around a very long time.
I went there and ate it too.
But I would often hear from people coming out say that it was not good.
Were they Korean?
- Yes. - It doesn't taste the way we imagined it?
- For Koreans... - It felt very greasy.
- It's greasy... - And very bland.
- It feels very bland... - Yes.
Why do I feel like I lost?
It's just the way Koreans feel.
Globalization is good.
- Next, let's talk about the Korean pizza. - Oh!
- You dip Gorgonzola pizza into honey. - Yes
- We would never do that. - Really? Why not?
- Why not? - I didn't know.
Don't honey go very well with cheese anyways?
But that's different. After your meal, when you order a cheese plate,
it comes with jam or honey that goes well with the cheese.
But dipping the pizza into honey is...
It shocked me. I thought it was olive oil.
- You thought it was olive oil? - It was too sweet?
I really didn't know.
I really don't understand this.
Potato. They put potato on the pizza.
It doesn't make any sense.
Because pizza is heavy dough.
But having something heavy on top of the heavy dough...
How are you supposed to eat that?
And also, in Korea, when you...
try to decide whether to eat pizza or pasta for dinner...
If you can't decide, you should just order carbonara pizza.
- Carbonara? - It's definitely pizza...
but there's pasta on it.
No way.
That's like a pizza version of jjamjamyeon.
- It surprised me. - Inside...
- What? - It has the noodles.
Because of the cheese, I couldn't see it.
It really surprised me.
Do they have those in Italy?
Like those kind of pizza in Korea with corn and mayonnaise...
In America, if you put that on your pizza, it just makes no sense.
There are American type of pizza too, right?
In America, we have Chicago pizza, New York pizza...
We're very proud of them.
- So when we come to Korea and see these sweet things on it... - Yes, sweet things.
Our pizza isn't very sweet.
- Like combination pizza. - It makes no sense for it to be sweet.
Then, what do you think about pineapple pizza?
- That makes no sense either. - I also don't...
I'm American, but I'm against pineapple pizza too.
It's a Hawaiian pizza.
It's Hawaiian pizza, but I don't like it.
In Italy and Switzerland, that's considered illegal.
He said it was illegal.
Wait, the president of Iceland said it was illegal?
- Yes, the president of Iceland... - Really?
- I thought it was a joke. - He said pineapple pizza...
should be illegal and that caused a big issue.
Do foreigners not like it that much either?
We don't really eat it.
Actually, the Hawaiian pizza wasn't made by Americans.
- It was made by Canadians. - I knew it.
I'm also against it. But they say a Canadian living in Hawaii...
created it.
But what's more unbelievable is pepperoni pizza.
- Why is that bad? - Pepperoni pizza is the most famous pizza in the world.
- But I read somewhere that there was no pepperoni pizza in Italy... - No.
There is pepperoni pizza...
But when people say pepperoni, people think it means salami.
- But pepperoni in Italian means bell peppers. - That's right.
It's called bell peppers pizza,
but there's no bell peppers.
- I see. - So that's why...
That's so misleading.
Have you had any instances like this when you went abroad, Kyo-ik?
Whenever I go to Japan, I always try their kimchi?
I do it to see how it changes within the restaurants outside the country.
They've been making a lot of interesting types of kimchi.
For example, there was this place...
- that placed olive oil on top of the kimchi. - Because it was too spicy?
And there were some that stuffed them inside tomatoes.
I think they thought of kimchi as a type of salad.
- Instead of a side dish, they treated it was a course meal. - A dish.
- Yes. - That's interesting.
They also pay to eat the kimchi, right?
They charge around three dollars per dish.
When foreigners get their bibimbap on the plane,
they finish their meal and eat their kimchi later.
Kimchi actually goes very well with rice.
So it should be presented together with the rice but...
there's this thing where they try to globalize...
only the kimchi itself.
But they shouldn't do that. You can only globalize kimchi...
That's why foreigners are surprised when they go to a Seolleongtang restaurant.
- Why? - After having had to pay for their dish of kimchi,
receiving the whole pot of kimchi is very...
They're surprised by the amount.
All right. It seems like we'll have a lot of...
fun discussing foods from various countries.
Food that were successfully globalized.
Has there been anything that caught your taste?
In America, Halal food is very popular there.
Actually, Halal food is...
that was made following the Islamic regulations.
But among Halal food, there are these Halal guys...
located somewhere around 60th St in New York.
It's a food cart that became super popular.
People are always lining up whether it's day or night.
And the most popular menu there is probably the chicken rice.
Do people like Halal food for its taste or the good ingredients?
It has a sense of being healthy...
because it was made according to regulation...
And there's this addicting element called the secret sauce.
It's a special type of sauce.
- No one really knows what is in those sauce. - It's a secret.
But it's really tasty.
When you go to Vancouver in Canada, there's a sushi store in every neighborhood.
They're mostly run by Korean people.
Sushi has a very good image.
They have a healthy luxurious image.
In France, sushi was already very popular since 15 years ago.
But they were mostly run by Chinese people.
- Those sushi restaurants... - That's interesting.
- That's why... - Japanese...
Most of the sushi restaurant outside Japan...
About 90 percent of them are run by foreign chefs.
- The Japanese restaurants? - Yes.
In China, when they imported spicy chicken noodles, it became really popular.
It's because there are a lot of people who like spicy things...
or want to challenge themselves in China.
They were supposed to take out the water but they didn't know.
So they ate it with the water, like ramen.
It taste bad if you eat it like that.
But it's super spicy. I tried it once...
What's spicy in China is different from what's spicy in Korea.
Yes, it's completely different.
It's interesting but the most popular food in Mexico is...
traditional Chinese food.
It's really famous.
There's always one in every department store.
- Chinese food? - Yes, there's always one in every department store.
The way they make it is very similar too.
For example, the rice is kind of orange.
We also make it look orange.
And the ingredients we put in it is also similar.
Mexicans really love the taste.
That's why there's a lot of them.
But there's something even more popular than Chinese food. That's Coca Cola.
Mexicans really drink a lot of Coca Cola.
- It's the country that drinks the most Coca Cola in the world. - The whole world?
- Is that true? - Didn't they say they won't drink it because of Trump's wall?
I don't think they'll stop drinking. It's pretty addicting.
When you ask for cola, do they really give you 3L bottles?
- Yes. They give you 3L bottles. - It's so big.
Because we love it so much, there's always a bottle of it on the table when we eat.
Same goes for Pakistan. There's no place without Coca Cola or Pepsi.
- We always eat it with our food. - You guys really like it.
And in Pakistan, Pizza Hut is popular too.
It's really huge.
When young people go out to eat,
- they prefer to there. - That's right.
And before, we didn't really have deliveries back then.
But after Pizza Hut came in, it started a culture of...
having deliveries.
Switzerland is the complete opposite. In 2004, there were several Pizza Huts...
but they all went out of business within six months.
Right now, there's so many of them in Pakistan.
- Most pizza franchises in Korea are American, right? - Because they're famous.
It's because it's bad to deliver Italian pizzas.
You have to eat it as soon as it comes out.
And it's not good to share you pizza.
If you share your pizza or pasta, they get cold.
If they get cold, you have to throw them away.
You have to eat it as soon as it comes out.
Actually, Pizza Hut is a franchise where they only do deliveries.
But in Korea, it's a place where you can sit down and eat.
If there's leftovers, you can...
have them wrap it up nicely with some ribbons...
like a present. We didn't know Pizza Hut was such a great place.
- It's so... - They wrap up your leftovers.
We can't sit down and eat in Pizza Hut in America. They only do take out there.
In Japan, there's this thing from Hawaii, America...
Pancake was a huge success in Japan.
- In Japan? - Yes. It's been popular for over five years now.
It's still really popular nowadays too.
- It was really tasty there. - The girls especially...
When they go on a date, they go to the pancake restaurant...
- and eat that for lunch or dinner. - Really?
That's why there's this saying, "Boys are ramen and girls are pancake".
Did you just make that up?
No. I didn't make that up.
It just means they eat it that much.
Actually, when social media started to take off,
that was when the pancake popularity began.
So many people uploaded it to their social media.
This was the first food...
girls uploaded on social media. So it was very popular.
Is there any Korean food you think that was successfully globalized, Kyo-ik?
Japan and Korea has a painful history together.
So we ended up exchanging a lot of similar food.
One of them was kimbap.
- It was originally Japan's, right? - Yes. There are various styles...
but Korean kimbap...
originated from Japanese futomaki.
- But there aren't any kimbap restaurants in Japan. - No, there aren't.
They don't have a place where they only sell kimbap.
But for us, even in the subways, we have so many...
kimbap restaurants. We also have so many types of kimbap too.
There's none like it in Japan. Tuna kimbap, perilla leaf kimbap, cucumber kimbap...
- There's so many types. - Nude kimbap.
- There are a lot of tasty types. - Yes.
- Like anchovy kimbap. - Although it originated in Japan,
after it came into Korea,
it was able to be developed into something more.
When I first came to Korea and saw kimbap, I thought it was similar but...
because there were so many types in Korea, I thought it was a Korean food.
It tastes a little different, doesn't it?
- Yes, it's very different. - Yes.
In Japan, it's a type of sushi.
- But in Korea, it's not sushi but made with sesame oil. - I see.
I'm really curious about this. There are a lot of foreign restaurants in Korea...
but when you feel homesick and want to have a taste of your home,
- is there any restaurant in Korea... - That makes you think of your home?
I wouldn't want to reveal it if I was them.
Please share it with us.
There aren't a lot of food you can say that are American...
except hamburgers.
- So... - Isn't it Hamburg's?
Isn't it German's?
- No. - Let it be America's.
No we made it.
- He said Kitkat was American food. - Just give it to him.
- They only have cereal. - Kitkat.
They originally had hamburg steak...
- in Germany... - Just take it.
But it's ours.
(But it's ours.)
That's so funny.
It's just like kimbap. When I came to Korea,
I was sad there weren't any good hamburger places.
- But it finally appeared several years ago. - Where?
It's called Brooklyn the Burger Joint.
It's as good as an American hamburger.
And it has hamburgers you can't find back in America.
It's really tasty. I first saw it in that place.
- It's called Cheese Skirt Burger, like a cheese skirt... - Cheese skirt?
The burger is this big but the cheese comes out like a skirt.
- It was heavenly. - It was heavenly?
- Yes. - Did it make you think of your mom?
Mom?
- Because she's at home... - It reminded me of America.
Just like how we want spicy things when we're abroad,
- a cheeseburger was that important to an American. - It's food for the soul.
We call it comfort food. It comforts us.
- They slightly burn the cheese... - Yes.
- to make it savory... - You went there?
- Yes. - It's good, right?
I have at least ten restaurants that feel very authentic.
- In Korea? - Yes.
But I chose the closest one to my house.
It's in Cheongdam-dong, Terra13.
They have a lot of great things on their menu. They also do sashimi.
Italians also eat sashimi too.
They do sashimi and also truffle pasta.
They grind the truffles on top of pasta like Italians do back home.
- It's really good. The chef is... - It looks really good.
It's really good.
I have a history with that chef.
I met my wife at that restaurant.
- Is it that good? - It's really good.
Did you approach her first?
How'd you meet her?
They were opening up a new Italian restaurant and I went because I was invited.
My wife was invited by someone else so she came too. We sat on a joint table.
- It was... - I think Lucky has Italian blood in him.
I guess so...
There's a restaurant called Gastrotong near Gwanghwamun.
It was really delicious there.
If there are homesick Swiss people here in Korea,
I would recommend them that place.
The chef is Swiss.
The exterior looks like a traditional...
Swiss house called a Swiss chalet.
And there are many traditional Swiss food on the menu.
- For example? - There's the raclette.
- Raclette? - It's similar to fondue in that it's melted cheese...
- but you eat it with potatoes. - Together?
Yes, together. But you have to eat it when it's melted so...
you have to eat it fast.
That's why when you eat raclette,
you shouldn't say a word. At least that's what they say.
- Really? - You have to eat it very fast.
But these days, there are equipments to keep food warm.
Yes, there are but...
Do they use that French machine in that restaurant?
- I didn't look that closer so I don't know... - We have a French machine for that.
- Really? - The French made it.
- They made it? - Back in the 70s...
I don't want to reveal my place.
I see.
- I'm sorry. - It's okay.
There's this restaurant called Hakatanaka in Hongdae.
It's a set meal place. It's a place specializing in Kyushu cuisine.
It tastes exactly the same.
It tastes just like the set meals you can eat at Japan.
- Is it run by a Japanese? - Yes, it's run by a Japanese.
And the workers are all Japanese too. I always go there when I miss Japan.
It has a donjiru, a Japanese soy bean soup...
- with pork and... - The Japanese version?
It's really tasty.
I was really happy to find that place.
To think I could taste that in Korea...
For me, there's a restaurant near Konkuk University...
for hotpot. It's called Bokmanroo.
That place is always filled with Chinese people.
So if I talk in Korean with someone there, it feels weird.
People are surprised there are Koreans there too.
Because that place is like a buffet, you can eat however much you want.
And everything there is what you eat in China.
Rather than have a unique taste,
it's more like something your mother makes for you.
- That place is famous for their sesame sauce. - Yes.
Yes, when you eat it in China,
you dip the vegetable or meat into the soup and...
dip it into the sesame sauce before you eat it.
It tastes really good.
My place is in Hongdae. It's called Cinco de Mayo.
When you go there, it really feels like...
you're in Mexico.
And whenever I go in, it feels so warm. That really makes me happy.
The chef there is Mexican.
- And his food really cater to the Mexican's tastebuds. - That's true.
He makes it exactly like they do back home.
Also, you can eat things like quesadilla and taco there.
But what was more interesting...
- was how they made the guacamole. - Oh?
We have something similar to the Korean millstone.
We call it the molcajete.
When we order guacamole in Mexico,
they bring out the already made guacamole.
But if you go there, it comes in a mortar with avocado and so on...
that haven't been mixed yet. You have to do it yourself.
I was never able to experience that back in Mexico.
But experiencing something like that in Korea made me really happy.
This is making me hungry.
- I know. - What about India?
In Yeonnam-dong, there's a friend who's also named Lucky.
He runs a very small store there.
It's called Hello India.
I went to a lot of Indian restaurants.
Tandoori chicken is one of the main dish that everyone eats here.
But because they just baste on the sauce and don't let it marinate...
I really hate eating that dish here.
But this restaurant is very good at marinating.
When you take a bite,
the juice comes outs in your mouth.
It's very similar to how they make it back home in India.
In Quebec, Canada, there's a very popular family restaurant...
called St Hubert.
They give you a oven roasted chicken.
In Korea, there's a place that makes...
the chicken just like that place.
It's a restaurant where you drink it with beer.
It's Oppadak.
- There, they... - Are you saying that tastes like Canadian chicken?
- Oppadak? - Well, whenever I want to eat the...
chicken I ate back home, I go there.
- You eat Oppadak's chicken when you want Canadian food? - Yes.
This isn't an advertisement corner.
I don't think the people working at Oppadak know they're making Canadian chicken.
- They probably don't. But it's tasty. - I see.
Kyo-ik, would you like to go to any of these restaurants?
- You already went to all these places, right? - Yes, I did.
But it's the first time I heard of that Indian restaurant.
You haven't gone there? We can go there together sometimes.
Sure, with some beer...
They sell Indian beer there. It's very good.
They'll probably give you good beer.
(It looks like he'll have an upcoming article about tandoori chicken.)
There are cases where people mistakenly assume certain foods are from your country.
Let's take this time to make some confession.
I didn't know it was yours.
(Shivers)
One of the most commonly mistaken German food is Kinder Chocolate.
- Kinder? - Yes, Kinder Chocolate. In German, "Kinder"...
- means children. - Kinder means children?
That's why a lot of people think those chocolate are from Germany.
But their main company...
is Ferrero, an Italian company.
But on those Kinder Chocolates,
the word, Ferrero, is written in very small prints.
People can't really see it so they assume it's German.
But Ferrero's factories in Germany...
are the ones who made the chocolate. Although it's made in Germany,
it's still Italy's.
- Ferrero. - What about french fries?
- French fries... - I thought they were Belgian fries.
When they made French fries,
the country of Belgium didn't even exist.
- America... - So is it French?
It's just fried potatoes.
Yes, it's just fried potatoes.
From what I heard, Korea has Mexicana chicken.
Although we eat that, we know it's not really Mexican food.
We already know...
We also don't have chicken like that in our mother's family.
They're just names.
- I've never tasted chicken like that... - They don't make it like that back home.
- They don't make spicy sauce chicken. - They don't make chicken from pelicans.
Mexico also has chicken but things like spicy sauce chicken is...
We don't do that.
We don't have that. But having people say "Mexicana chicken"...
What's that? It's tasty but...
We also have another one.
Taco Bell in America.
- America? - People get so confused.
- They think it's Mexican food and eat it but... - Is it very different?
It's very different.
The way they cook it is different. They...
- have hard taco shells and things we don't have. - That's true.
Where is LA galbi from?
LA galbi is actually from LA.
- Are you sure? - That's not true.
- It's American? - No way.
- Is it Lalaland's? - No, but outside Korea,
there are a lot of Koreans living in LA, America.
And the Korean residents living there...
tried to make galbi. Normally, galbi...
is cut in the directions of the bones.
But in America, they cut it horizontally like this.
When they used those meat to make that,
- they realized the meat marinated better. - I'm sure.
Anyway, that's why they brought it back to Korea...
and that's why you can find LA galbi here in Korea too.
- By horizontal, you mean lateral? - Yes. When some people...
saw them cutting the meat laterally...
In English, we say lateral cutting.
Because it's lateral cutting, the L and A comes together for LA galbi.
So LA galbi was made by Korean, right?
Yes. Considering how they made the marinade...
using soy sauce and so on...
- Everyone thinks fortune cookies were made from China. - Yes?
- But it originated in Japan. - Really?
We don't think of it as ours.
- But a lot of people think it's Chinese. - I thought it was Chinese too.
Originally, in Japan,
they would write fortunes on paper...
and put them inside senbei. That's how it started.
A Japanese brought that to America.
And it was a huge success in America when...
- it was used in the Chinese restaurants in America. - That's right.
It's funny. They eat a lot of that in America...
Everyone is curious to see what fortune they got...
but they don't eat it because it tastes bad.
- They take out what they ate... - It's not very good.
Is there any food that's not Korean but people think it is?
(Are there any food that are mistaken for Korean food?)
Chicken and beer is assumed to be part of Hallyu culture so...
there have been talks of globalizing chicken and beer.
But that was originally from the Southern part of America.
It originated from the African Americans.
Because chicken wasn't such a tasty ingredient,
they caked it up with batter...
and fried it in oil to make it somewhat edible.
But people think it's Korean food.
- But it can still be considered Korean, can't it? - I guess it can.
But because they made it so well here,
they took the Korean chicken back to America...
- They eat it there? - and it's becoming pretty trendy back there.
- Really? - Yes.
That is one of the well known Korean food there.
For Japan, a Korean chicken restaurant came into Japan.
But right now, it went out of business.
- Why? - I thought they would have liked it.
It's because Japan started selling chicken in their convenience stores.
- Because it's tasty. - They were tastier.
Because they were tastier, they didn't really...
have a reason to go into a store and eat it there. Instead,
- they can just go to a convenience store... - Whenever they want it.
- Yes. - Do you do deliveries like us too?
- It could work with deliveries, right? - We had a lot of...
deliveries like pizza a long time ago...
but there were too many accidents...
and it was too costly so...
there's not a lot of it anymore. It was a failure.
What kind of cultures came into our country and failed?
There are so many items coming in from outside the country...
and going back out in a matter of minutes so...
there aren't a lot of records left about it.
- There were things where you put ice cream on waffles and... - I remember that.
- but now they're gone. - Same thing with the honeycomb ice cream.
- Yes. - Honeycomb ice cream.
There was also that thing where you broke it with a hammer...
- It was sold in the basement of the department stores. - Wasn't that Germany's?
- They disappear so fast. - They do.
When I think about it, the competition is too fierce.
There are over 500,000 pop up businesses...
When someone brings in something new,
someone else brings in something else. It's very competitive.
- That's why it's very unfortunate... - Things just don't last.
They need to be around 20 to 30 years before they take place...
but there's not a lot of opportunity for that.
There were probably things that weren't popular in your country...
but were a huge success in ours.
- I wonder what they are. - Let's move on to our second confession.
I didn't know you were famous.
You really didn't know. But they were super popular in Korea.
- What kind of things are there? - In America, it's really hard to find...
Spam. Actually, I...
- only saw Spam once when I was in America. - You have a lot of hams.
I haven't eaten it once back there.
But when I came to Korea, it was in my buddaejjigae and...
When I tried some, it was really good.
But what's more funny is...
how it's a military food. It's food you eat for emergency rations.
But here, those Chuseok gift sets...
- They're packaged very nicely in those boxes and... - That's right.
- sold as a set... - Yes.
The funny thing is it would have been better for them to make it smaller.
- But they package it in a big box... - With a lot of space between...
It almost feels as big as a galbi set.
When you give them to your family, they go, "Thank you so much!"
- They're so happy to receive it. - It's so...
- During the holidays... - It's because spam goes better with rice than bread.
Yes, that's true.
- It really goes well with rice. - And fried eggs...
- With hot rice... - It's the best.
For Mexico, there's nacho.
We don't think it's anything special.
It's just something that comes as a side when we order fajita.
It's nothing but a side dish.
But in Korea, they sell it a lot.
- They only sell the nacho. - Yes, only the nacho.
And it's expensive too.
It's almost like when Mexicans buying...
radishes when they go into the movies.
That does feel weird.
It's something you always ate without paying money for it.
But here, you have to pay six dollars to get this much.
- That's weird. - In Italy, we have Cafe Pascucci.
It's nothing but a small coffee shop in a tiny district.
That was from Italy?
- Cafe Pascucci? - It was a coffee shop in Italy?
It's a coffee company that's located in a region called Urbino.
But it's not very famous in Italy.
But after some research, it had shops in 25 different countries...
- and there are so many in Korea. - There's one in every station.
I searched Cafe Pascucci in Wikipedia, but they didn't have a Italian page for it.
(They didn't have an Italian page for it.)
What does pascucci mean?
- It's just a person's name. - Name?
For our 140th Non Summit Meeting, we talked about Hwang Kyo-ik's issue,
I'm Uncomfortable With Forcing the Globalization of Korean Food. Am I Abnormal?
- How was it today? - After talking with everyone here...
It may be due to you all speaking Korean but...
I came to think that borders weren't very important after all.
Although everyone has different tastes,
if people with the same interest gathers,
they can have many great talks together over food.
And when they eat together, they can also bond over that experience too.
That thought made me feel very cheerful.
Thank you for today, Kyo-ik.
(Thank you for joining us today to share these great conversation, Hwang Kyo-ik.)
I would now like to adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.
Until the day we all become normal.
For those aiming for success,
it all starts with knocking on the door of globalization.
- In 1, 2, 3. - Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock on my boy
(Gasp)
Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock on my boy
You're so old.
Meeting adjourned.
- This is pretty hard. - It's knock on my door.
- It's so hard. - It's knock, knock, knock...
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